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Post  Banditxx1 on Sat Mar 15, 2014 3:53 am

Hello mates,

I think, most of you have already seen this video from Hilly and Hannah Hindi and their Hillywood Show.  I love the video and except the boots and breeches, I think Hilly has a very screen accurate costume at all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0PhfbpNu-4

I´m wondering, if the frock coat is exactly the one for 198 US$ from www.jacksparrowcostumes.com? I´m still looking for a real good coat and I tried to "examine" the different scenes of the video, but I´m not sure ...

The cuffs seem to be an evidence for my presumption. But the close-fitting cut and the narrow sleeves leave me doubting about this theory ...

Does anyone have information about their costume supplier or does anyone know, which coat they used...?

Thanks for your help.
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Post  Mondas42 on Sat Mar 15, 2014 4:08 am

Hmm

Difficult to say for certain, but if it is the $198 one then they have either changed there standard buttons or the buttons have been altered. Reason I say that is the standard coat has round buttons with no 'rim' around the edge but it looks as if the one used in the video has got the rim. It also seems to have been altered to make it fit better.

I agree the cuffs look suggestive of the $198 coat though, but even these have been changed as the cuffs on my coat when I got it were open and flapped about and needed work on them.

Try contacting them to ask?

Martin

Cool video though!
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Post  Banditxx1 on Sat Mar 15, 2014 4:14 am

Hello Martin,

thanks for your reply. And yes, there are some hints that let me doubt about the 198 $-coat-version, too.

By the way, what did you exactly change at your cuffs? Did you sew them together, so that the gap is not so open at all? (Sorry can´t explain it any better in english) ...
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Post  Mondas42 on Sat Mar 15, 2014 4:16 am

I didn't sew them up totally, let me take a piccy of the coat and I'll get back to you shortly.
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Post  Banditxx1 on Sat Mar 15, 2014 4:17 am

Yes, great...thank you.
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Post  Mondas42 on Sat Mar 15, 2014 4:44 am

Okay, here's the pictures. I've pointed to the area that was open and that I sewed up with a single stitch to keep the 'flaps' together. Hope this makes sense





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Post  Banditxx1 on Sat Mar 15, 2014 4:47 am

Yes of course. Thanks a lot, that is exactly what I thought you did for having a good solution on the sleeves and cuffs.
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Post  Mondas42 on Sat Mar 15, 2014 1:57 pm

Banditxx1 have a look at this video

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VxZpqYHiAAw

You get a much better look at the coat, it looks either like a modified $198 one or a Topnotch replica one. Any one got any ideas?
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Post  Banditxx1 on Sat Mar 15, 2014 2:03 pm

Hello Martin,

yes that's the "behind the scenes"-video. You are right Martin and because of the buttons I think, it is a TOPNOTCH-replica-coat....! Color, form/shape/pattern seem to be identical...

I'm going to "investigate" and examine the video tomorrow on my computer-monitor.

Have a nice evening.

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Post  Bilge Rat on Sat Mar 15, 2014 7:01 pm

I believe that it is a Yordreem coat made by Scott Blake. Top Notch made her coats with the front side of the fabric facing out, Scott's and the Movie coats used the back side.  This coat has the back side of the fabric as the outer of the coat.
Scotts early coats had a resin cast button that had that trim ring around the edge, also the button hole trim looks a lot like Scott's
early version and the cut of the coat looks the same ( Yordreem coat has tighter fitting sleeves and is brought in narrower at the waist of the coat, unlike the $198 coat). Another give away is that it is not fully lined, also something Scott did on his very first coats. only the sleeves, and bottom half of the coat had a lining, because it is a very heavy coat.
Looks exactly like my Yordreem coat. Scott's coat has a seam that starts under the armpit and comes around slightly to the front of the arm behind cuff just like the coat in the video.
 Pausing at 2:05 makes me 99.9 % sure its made by Scott. The buttons are exactly like his resin ones and the button trim is also the same.


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Post  Bilge Rat on Sat Mar 15, 2014 7:50 pm

Went back and watched Hilly's behind the scenes video and I am now 100% sure its a Yordreem coat. There are great shots of the buttons, also a real good shot of the inside of the coat!
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Post  Banditxx1 on Sun Mar 16, 2014 12:45 am

Hello Bilge Rat,

thank you very much for your help and your great support.

So it's too bad, that it isn't an 198$-coat, because then I would order that coat directly. But it's always the same: you get what you pay for... and to get just a screen accurate coat, I've to accept a more expensive price...

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Post  Bilge Rat on Sun Mar 16, 2014 7:41 am

I paid around $900.00 for my coat years ago,
way back right after COTBP and there was only
a very small handful of us Sparrows (I think maybe 10 or so) on KTTC. Back when the hunt for anything that could be used was just as fun as wearing the costume!
Scott's coat is worth every penny and even looks better once
weathered and distressed. The 198.00 coat looks ok, but unless
you can tailor the heck out of it its just to
big and loose fitting in my opinion.
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Post  Banditxx1 on Sun Mar 16, 2014 7:44 am

Yes indeed; you're right. What weathering-methods and distressing did you concrete do on your coat?
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Post  Bilge Rat on Sun Mar 16, 2014 5:49 pm

Weathering the Frock Coat is not an easy chore, make sure you have time, and patience, if done correctly it looks fantastic and will set your costume apart from others.
  The fabric on the $198.00 coat will weather much the same way, but the thread removal is different.  I know because I found one on ebay a couple years back for $50.00 with the breeches and shirt and vest. I was going to use it as a back up. Weathered it very similar to my yordreem coat, but did not document the process on the $198.00 coat so I don't remember the exact color of thread removal.  Then I tailored it some and put it back on ebay and sold it off, I just did not like how it fit me even after all the tailoring!
The trick to weathering the Raffia fabric or the Black Licorice rafia is to slowly remove the threads in one direction. A seem ripper comes in handy but is not necessary.
   The tread removal takes a while, you have to go slow and watch what you are doing. My fabric is the ebony which is what the original fabric was. It is made up of gray, black, gold, and brown treads. You want to remove the black, gold and gray,( LEAVE THE BROWN!) in the areas you want to distress. DO ONE THREAD at a time! Cut it then slowly pull it though the other threads slowly remove the length of that tread that you want your worn area to be, and cut that thread out, then go on to the next color thread in that area, but leave the brown threads alone! Look at screen caps to find areas that are worn away.
As for the fading of the cuffs, shoulders, front panels and back, this is the tricky part, and I don't remember my ratio of bleach and water, but I think it was 1 part bleach to 3 parts water, it's best to experiment on the inside of one of the pleats in the back.
Take a pretty good size sponge and soak it in the mixture, then wring it out so it's almost dry, now lay it on the coat in the area you want to fade, and wait, it takes several minutes, but you will see it gradually fade, again though experiment on the inside of the pleats to find the time that works best. Just keep moving the sponge around to the different areas you want to fade.
PM me for any questions you have.......GOOD LUCK...once you start this there is no going back!!

You can see some of the thread removal here on my cuff.



Here you can see what  I did to the shoulder of the frock coat,  Look at screen caps of the coat and images of it on display to get ideas of what to do to get a screen used look.


And this shows the bleaching process on the cuff and sleeve. I replaced the resin buttons with ones from Simon and suspended them above a bath of ammonia in a sealed container, the ammonia fumes will turn the brass buttons black and tarnish them.
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Post  Banditxx1 on Sun Mar 16, 2014 11:41 pm

Thank you very much for your very detailed report and the informative pictures. I didn't know, that single threads have to be removed to achieve that vintage weathered style.

And in combination with the bleeching process your coat really looks awesome. I'm a little bit envious... ;-)
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Post  RobbW on Tue Mar 18, 2014 8:15 am

Quick shot of my new Yordreem coat.  Still need to do lots of weathering and aging.  I will definitely be using some of Bilge Rat's techniques as his coat looks great.

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Post  Banditxx1 on Tue Mar 18, 2014 8:26 am

Hello Rob,

your coat looks awesome. It seems to be weathered already around the buttons...?!

Is it just the camera (flash) or does your vest just has a little violet touch...? Maybe the vest needs some weathering, too...? ;-)
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Post  RobbW on Tue Mar 18, 2014 8:39 am

I did some very minor weathering on the coat. Used a razor in a few places to fray some of the material. However, there is still much work to be done. Yes, the vest is still a vibrant violet color. It is also new from Yordreem. I tried to weather both it and the frock coat a bit with a bleach solution, but apparently I didn't use a strong enough solution. I didn't really have much time to do any hardcore weathering because I had just received my costume pieces on Wednesday or Thursday last week, and I had my first official Jack event Saturday night. Didn't leave a lot of time for obsessing over the weathering details. Now that the event is done, and I don't have another one in the very near future, I can take my time to weather my costume appropriately.
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Post  Banditxx1 on Tue Mar 18, 2014 8:42 am

It was not meant as an accusation or evil, but only as an indication... ;-)
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Post  RobbW on Tue Mar 18, 2014 8:54 am

And it was not taken as such, Banditxx1! ;-)
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